Why War with Iraq? (63 views) Subscribe   
  From:  NelleRebel   3/17/2003 8:07 am  
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I'm confused. . . .Why is Pres. Bush planning on going to war? I mean the real reasons behind this mess!? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/17/2003 5:27 pm  
To:  NelleRebel   (2 of 17)  
 
  571.2 in reply to 571.1  
 
Hi Nellerebel,

I agree there probably is a "Real" reason for this attack that we the public will never know about.

It seems to me that the primary goal is to Politically control Iraq in the end that is why Hussein is being given the option of fleeing, if it really is an option.

I think that there is a lot at stake here Biblically as a "New World Order" marches on and gets much more stronger and bolder.

I dont for one second think that this a war against Muslims as to the World (Satans world) the true enemy is the Jew and the Christian and really that will be their true war.

Just some thoughts to go along with yours.

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Hamilton109   3/26/2003 10:26 am  
To:  NelleRebel   (3 of 17)  
 
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Weapons of Mass destruction, and there probable use by terrorists. 
That is it in a nutshell.
 
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   3/29/2003 7:50 am  
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  571.4 in reply to 571.3  
 
Why Bush invaded Iraq:

1. He's finishing up what his father started ten years ago.

2. He's done all the beating up on Afghanistan that he wants to do.

3. Uhhhhh ... there is no #3 reason.

Weapons of mass destruction?   Where?  We haven't seen one in Iraq yet, even though we've had inspectors over there looking everywhere, and now our own Army is there ... still no WMD's.

AND our own Army is killing Iraqi civilians ... if there are WMD's, why isn't Saddam using them?

Somebody pointed out that the "weapon of mass destruction" that leveled the World Trade Center was a 747 ... manufactured right here in the US.


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/29/2003 4:55 pm  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (5 of 17)  
 
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Hi Mark,

OF course your are not insinuating that the American "Army/Soldiers" are killing civilians on purpose.

Because they are not!

I know that I havent really posted a lot about the war because Im actually trying to stay away from All things Political and to concentrate on my favorite topic which is Religion

-But-

Make no mistake about it, this is a very Pro-America and Very Pro-Veteran forum.

Thanks for your understanding,
God Bless you,

David



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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   3/30/2003 1:45 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 17)  
 
  571.6 in reply to 571.5  
 
OF course your are not insinuating that the American "Army/Soldiers" are killing civilians on purpose.

No.  But the death of a child is a tragedy regardless of the intent (or lack of intent) of the killer.  If we didn't have 500,000 soldiers (complete with tanks and bombs) in Iraq, the child wouldn't have died.

Make no mistake about it, this is a very Pro-America and Very Pro-Veteran forum.

I am happy to know this.  I am an American, and a veteran (I was not drafted; I volunteered).  My discharge was "honorable."

And I voted for George Bush.  I do not regret having done so.  But I disagree with his decision to invade Iraq.


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    3/30/2003 7:49 am  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (7 of 17)  
 
  571.7 in reply to 571.6  
 
Hi Mark,

Thanks for the clarification, no one wants to see anyone die.

I feel that the war is somewhat misdirected in that the Total Root of the Problem is not Saddam or even Politics but the Doctrine of the Muslim is the Real problem and there will never be any peace as long as people adhere to the deceit, lies, and destruction of the Muslim doctrine.

For example a "good Muslim" who follows Muslim doctrine is the suicide bomber while it is the lesser Muslim that tolerates others. With doctrine like that there will never be peace.

Regarding Christianity it is the "good Christian" that is the giving, caring, person and the rogue Christian or the exception is the offensive Christian, so the norm of Christianity is good and sustainable for mankind as designed and created by God.

The Huge mistake is that America is pretending that the Muslim Religion is Peaceful and Loving which it is Not and it is the Muslim Doctrine which must be addressed and revealed as Evil, before meaningful changes can take place.

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   4/1/2003 11:56 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 17)  
 
  571.8 in reply to 571.7  
 
I feel that the war is somewhat misdirected in that the Total Root of the Problem is not Saddam or even Politics but the Doctrine of the Muslim is the Real problem and there will never be any peace as long as people adhere to the deceit, lies, and destruction of the Muslim doctrine.

I confess to a lack of first-hand knowledge about Islam.  Frankly, I'm reluctant to judge (maybe I should say "have expectations about") a person based on the "official" doctrine of his professed religion.   I like to wait and see what kind of life he actually lives.

I've gotten to know some Muslims over the years, and not one of them has (to my knowledge) ever committed an act of violence.   On the other hand, I have filed criminal charges against a man who claimed to be a Christian, who attacked me physically.   He was convicted, and paid a fine.  I haven't kept up with him over the years, but my guess is that he's still attending the Methodist church, and still thinks it was okay to hit me with his fists.   He has never apologized for what he did.


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/1/2003 10:19 pm  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (9 of 17)  
 
  571.9 in reply to 571.8  
 
Hi Mark,

Thats my point. 

What the Christian did is inconsistent with Christian/Bible teaching & doctrine.

If you went to his Church the Pastor and entire congregation would confront him.

On the other hand the Muslim groups are supporting violence and are awarding Suicide Bombers huge sums of money for their acts of violence. Violence against women, children and mostly complete strangers.

There is a very huge difference!

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Hamilton109   4/3/2003 8:18 am  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (10 of 17)  
 
  571.10 in reply to 571.4  
 
>>>Why Bush invaded Iraq: 
1. He's finishing up what his father started ten years ago.<<< 

HOPEFULLY!! 

>>>2. He's done all the beating up on Afghanistan that he wants to do.<<< 

Yeah, those poor innocent Afghans.... 

>>>3. Uhhhhh ... there is no #3 reason. 

Weapons of mass destruction? Where? We haven't seen one in Iraq yet, even though we've had inspectors over there looking everywhere, and now our own Army is there ... still no WMD's.<<< 

Aw please. Even the Frogs admitted that there were weapons of mass destruction. The fact that they are well hidden in a large country is hardly an argument that they do not exist. 

What kinda lawyer are you with such a illogical mind? 

>>>AND our own Army is killing Iraqi civilians ... if there are WMD's, why isn't Saddam using them?<<< 

If he can, he almost certainly will. 

As for killing civilians, we will have to wage war a long time before we can kill at least HALF as many civilians as Saddamn has.
 
  
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  From:  Hamilton109   4/3/2003 8:21 am  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (11 of 17)  
 
  571.11 in reply to 571.6  
 
>>>No. But the death of a child is a tragedy regardless of the intent (or lack of intent) of the killer. If we didn't have 500,000 soldiers (complete with tanks and bombs) in Iraq, the child wouldn't have died.<<< 
This is where you are exactly and completely wrong. Lots and lots of children have died long before we showed up, and even as the fighting continues the life expectancy of kids in Iraq should be going up.
 
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   4/3/2003 11:18 am  
To:  Hamilton109   (12 of 17)  
 
  571.12 in reply to 571.11  
 
>>>No. But the death of a child is a tragedy regardless of the intent (or lack of intent) of the killer. If we didn't have 500,000 soldiers (complete with tanks and bombs) in Iraq, the child wouldn't have died.<<< 
This is where you are exactly and completely wrong. Lots and lots of children have died long before we showed up, and even as the fighting continues the life expectancy of kids in Iraq should be going up.

Nope.  You are wrong.  Children's body parts are being picked up off the streets because of our bombs.  Your attitude wouldn't be the same if it were your child.

 "Lots and lots of children have died long before we showed up?"  So that makes it okay for us to kill them?  Give that some thought.


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  From:  Hamilton109   4/4/2003 6:41 am  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (13 of 17)  
 
  571.13 in reply to 571.12  
 
What kinda dream world are you living in? 
We work had to minimize civian casualties, while Saddamn has worked to maximize them, yet it is OUR fault when civilians die. Over the past thirty years lots of kids have died at what only reasonably be considered the hads of Iraqi leadership, long before this war, long before the sanctions (which have not caused a single death), long before Gulf war 1. 

Ironically, the average childs life expectancy in Iraq will jump dramatically as soon as we can kill or capture the last of the saddamn junta. Remember, these are the guys starving their own people in order to build weapons.
 
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   4/4/2003 12:08 pm  
To:  Hamilton109   (14 of 17)  
 
  571.14 in reply to 571.13  
 
What kinda [sic] dream world are you living in? 

I hope you'll consider the possibility that a person could disagree with you and not be "living in a dream world."

We work had [sic] to minimize civian [sic] casualties, while Saddamn has worked to maximize them [...]

I believe this to be true, and it is laudable that our armed forces work hard to minimize civilian casualties.  Their efforts are, however, less than 100% successful.  If they weren't over there in Iraq firing off missiles, then they wouldn't be killing any innocent non-combatants at all.

Ironically, the average childs life expectancy in Iraq will jump dramatically as soon as we can kill or capture the last of the saddamn junta. Remember, these are the guys starving their own people in order to build weapons.

I hope you're right.  I don't believe that the go-over-there-and-bomb-stuff scenario will result in fewer deaths (ultimately) than a let's-mind-our-own-business scenario.

And even if that were the case, so what?   It is not the business of the United States to go throughout the world fighting injustice like Don Quixote.


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  From:  Hamilton109   4/9/2003 4:18 pm  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (15 of 17)  
 
  571.15 in reply to 571.14  
 
There are things on which intellegent people can disagree, but I am hard pressed to see this as one of them. 
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   4/10/2003 7:12 am  
To:  Hamilton109   (16 of 17)  
 
  571.16 in reply to 571.15  
 
I, on the other hand, understand completely how intelligent people could disagree on these exact matters.

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   From:  revnike    4/12/2003 7:34 pm  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (17 of 17)  
 
  571.17 in reply to 571.6  
 
{{{No.  But the death of a child is a tragedy regardless of the intent (or lack of intent) of the killer.  If we didn't have 500,000 soldiers (complete with tanks and bombs) in Iraq, the child wouldn't have died.}}}

How do you know that?  If the US weren't there...Sadaam could have very easily killed that child and others...or his/her parents, and brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles.



 


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